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  1. Charles Marke
    May 23, 2018 @ 6:00 PM

    If a veteran has a baseball cap on (not service related – civies) and wishes to salute during the anthem, does he/she leave said cap on?
    Thanks for your time. CJM USArmy 71 – 74

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    • davidegrogan
      May 30, 2018 @ 7:27 PM

      Charles – First off, thanks for your service in the Army! Second, here’s how I would analyze your question. The statute governing salutes addresses three situations. First are individuals in uniform, which is clear. Second are veterans not in uniform who choose to salute. This provision makes no mention of taking off your hat if you are wearing one before you salute. The third section addresses veterans who desire to place their right hands over their hearts. It specifically says, if you are wearing a hat, take it off. Given that, you can presume that if Congress intended for you to take off your hat in the salute situation, they would have said so in the statute. That said, I would look at it as an issue of respect in that it seems more respectful to remove caps when not in uniform before saluting. No one will question you if you take off a baseball cap and render a salute. They will view it as a sign of respect. Someone may question you if you salute while wearing a baseball cap, especially if the cap is not in the best condition. So, my advice – whether you render the salute or put your right hand across your heart, remove your baseball cap. Thanks for the question! V/r, Dave Grogan

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      • no
        November 4, 2018 @ 12:18 AM

        Marines do not salute uncovered – active or veteran.

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        • davidegrogan
          June 8, 2019 @ 8:22 AM

          That is a perfectly reasonable position to take. The most important part is simply showing respect for the flag.

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  2. Kristin
    June 5, 2019 @ 3:55 PM

    Thank you for your expert advice in this article. I was taught to stand at attention and not put hand over heart, the hand over heart was for Pledge. I am not sure why I got this message, perhaps it was an instance where there was no flag? Now I can’t think of a time I have been present for the anthem without a flag also present. For a civilian at a sporting or other event where the anthem is sung or played pre-recorded, is it safe to say just always place hand over heart? And if you’re a lefty is it okay to use left hand?

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    • davidegrogan
      June 8, 2019 @ 8:17 AM

      Thanks for your comment! As a civilian, you should place your right hand over your heart. The federal statute does not allow the left hand to be used, so you should use your right hand. I hope that helps!

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  3. Mike
    June 6, 2019 @ 1:46 PM

    Thanks for referencing the code and providing some interpretations for those who are no longer active duty.

    I think I’ll continue to stand at the position of attention when the anthem is played, or when a salute would typically be rendered. As the other poster mentioned, Marines (and Sailors) don’t render a salute when uncovered. Old habits die hard I suppose.

    Thanks,
    Mike

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  4. davidegrogan
    June 8, 2019 @ 8:18 AM

    Mike – I’m with you. I just can’t render a salute when I’m uncovered and not in uniform.

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  5. Rob
    July 31, 2019 @ 9:52 AM

    I’m a little bit older Marine. Our training and etiquette was to salute when in uniform or under arms, but stand at attention when not in uniform.
    Question of concern is when not in uniform, at position of attention, heels together at 45, BOTH hands by your sides, clinched fist, thumbs facing forward and pointing down.
    This seems to contradict with the right hand over your heart.
    What are your thoughts? As you’ve said habits are hard to break. No disrespect intended Judy instilled training.

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    • davidegrogan
      July 31, 2019 @ 10:50 PM

      Rob, I agree with you in that I used to stand at attention, too. When I read the statute, much to my surprise, I saw standing at attention wasn’t one of the options given, so I started to place my hand over my heart. A Marine standing at attention certainly demonstrates respect for the flag, so I personally do not have an issue with it. That said, because it wasn’t an option in the statute, I changed to putting my hand over my heart.

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  6. Diana Fox
    July 31, 2019 @ 1:49 PM

    I have the same experience as Kristin. I am 73 and was privately educated in Philadelphia . We were taught to stand straight and face the flag for the anthem ; hand over heart for the pledge recitation . Was there a change in etiquette or was that the common practice in the 20th century ? Quite a few people are as confused as I am.

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    • davidegrogan
      July 31, 2019 @ 11:01 PM

      Diana, that’s very interesting. I was raised in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio, and am 60. I attended a public school. We were told instructed to take off hats during the national anthem and put our right hand over our heart. When I went into the military, I was told when not in uniform to stand at attention. After I retired from the Navy, I’d heard that veterans were being given the option to salute, so that’s when I did the research for this article and found that the appropriate actions are actually spelled out in a statute. Accordingly, instead of standing at attention (which I personally believe still shows respect for the flag) as I had learned to do in the military when I was not in uniform, I started putting my right hand over my heart. If you follow the guidance in the statute (as set out in the article), you will be on solid ground.

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    • Sharon Heinlein
      August 4, 2019 @ 11:06 AM

      I’m an USAF vet, my father was a Navy WW11 vet (served in the Pacific). At 97 he died, and had military funeral. During taps, walking past a flag line etc. what is appropriate (to salute or not).

      Thank you,
      Sharon

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      • davidegrogan
        August 5, 2019 @ 10:27 PM

        Sharon – What a history of service your family has — thank you for your service! I am going to need to do some research on your question and will post an answer as soon as I can. I found a relevant statute and some guidance on military funerals, but before I post anything definitive, I want to be sure what I am saying is correct. I will try to post an answer within a week. Sorry for the delay.

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  7. Stephen Alexander
    August 10, 2019 @ 10:07 AM

    As I read the regulation, standing at attention with hands at the sides, without placing the hand over the heart, is proper for citizens of other nations, not for American citizens. By standing at attention without saluting, you present yourself as one without allegiance to this flag. I have seen that behavior recently from certain political candidates, and have found it disrespectful.

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    • davidegrogan
      August 10, 2019 @ 11:17 AM

      Stephen – thanks for your comment. My guess is that it’s not intended to show disrespect, but it’s because people are not aware of the statutory guidance. Some people may have been taught in schools when they were kids that standing at attention is an option. In fact, until I read the statute, I thought I was supposed to stand at attention with my hands at my sides and that doing so was rendering proper respect. That was one of the reasons I wrote the initial article–so that more people would be aware of what the statutory guidance is. I’ll be writing a follow-up article shortly as there is additional guidance available. I just need to complete my research before I put the information out as I want to be sure what I am saying is correct.

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  8. James Lutz
    October 3, 2019 @ 9:47 PM

    Not long ago a retired Navy Captain, who had also been a Marine Major addressed a Navy Ship’s Reunion. He stressed the importance of us saluting as a way for others present to have some idea just how many Veterans there are amongst the crowd, and that it is ok for them to also be recognized. As a VFW District Commander, I do encourage the practice of saluting the flag, while understanding why many will not. Either way, we are paying respect to our country and flag, don’t be afraid to let others know that you served by lifting your hand in salute

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    • davidegrogan
      October 4, 2019 @ 8:31 PM

      James – that’s a great response and I really like the thought that saluting is helping people recognize those who have served. As you say, the key is showing respect, and veterans have earned the right to choose.

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  9. Andrew Mintonsmith
    November 6, 2019 @ 5:55 PM

    As a Marine I was taught civilians cover their heart in reverence respect and allegiance but Military stood at attention presenting there heart in pride as defenders of old glory.

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    • davidegrogan
      November 6, 2019 @ 8:50 PM

      Andrew – that is exactly what I was taught. That’s why I was so surprised to see the federal statute.

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